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muslimperson — who I am beginning to suspect might just be Mitra Kermani herself — writes in again to follow-up on my last response to him/her.

As before, O Reader, it is a lengthy post, rambling and incoherent in many parts, and chock full of poor grammar and spelling errors. But hey — this arrived in my mailbox this morning, and was really too good not to share.

As before, I’ll throw in little responses where I feel are appropriate. This will break up the text somewhat, and I do apologize. Also, please note that because Ms. Kermani defames, at various points, certain individuals and/or companies, I have removed some bits of the text where appropriate. I have tried to minimize the disruptive effect of such redaction, but obviously I couldn’t keep everything.

Thirdly, for reference and further enjoyment, I observe that Blazing Cat Fur is getting comments on an article that look and “sound” eerily similar to the text of the correspondence below.

http://www.timeimmortal.net/tag/mitra-kermani/ :

Writer and owner of time immortal wrote his opinion as below:

“I’m actually going to stop here for a minute and remark that the stories of Mitra Kermani harassing people — at least by phone — can be verified by the fact that she harassed other bloggers who reported on her story, and did so multiple times.

Also, I observe that Mitra Kermani herself admitted to “aggressively talking to [Loblaw's]” (which is a polite way of saying she lost her cool, methinks). She also admitted to threatening one executive of the company by saying she would “cut his tail off and shoot him in the head.” She later attempted to excuse this behavior by dismissing the phrase as “an old Iranian expression, not an actual threat,” but at the end of the day she told a man she was going to shoot him in the head.

…As to whether it is true, there is no certainty, and Ms. Kermani denies the act. But is it possible she is the liar? Of course.

…The second is that if one should not believe what the National Post has had to say about this story, whom should one believe? What reason does the National Post have to risk a lawsuit from Loblaw’s by inventing — or even misrepresenting — such a scenario? “

Just type Mitra Kermani…since April 11, 2008 in Yahoo and Google and see how many bloggs wrote copy of National Post and how many email of harassment may Mitra Kermani received at least 89 pages this is proof bloggs and national post involve with no clue of story of 3 years court that can not find final solution of us to interfere and harass Mitra Kermani and judge her as this blogss by lable her include “liar” as we can see writer and owner of Time Immortal wrote his opinion that Mitra Kermani harass and she is liar — which she is not that proof one national post can brain wash all of you to blind the facts so simple and that is power of pen Muslim fight it by using power of human right commission to stop blogger to do so this will endanger security of Muslim without public know the real story

The fact that the original National Post — actually, the story was in the Financial Post, a subsidiary of the National Post — article was cited on multiple blogs is true. Equally, however, it is true that this fact of multiple citations does not tell us the first thing about whether the article in the Post is actually true or not.

muslimperson obviously believes that the article is a pack of lies, but has not yet provided convincing evidence or reasoning in support of this claim. Personally, I don’t think it makes sense for the National Post to invent, out of whole cloth, the story it ran about Mitra Kermani, because in so doing they would be exposing themselves not only to a libel lawsuit from Ms. Kermani, but also a lawsuit from Loblaw’s.

For the second time now, muslimperson has alluded to a court history (presumably one backed up by transcripts of proceedings), and for the second time no actual examples of evidence have been provided — not even a link to a scan of a transcript page.

What facts are before us, then, are what has been gleaned from the newspapers. Those facts include allegations that Mitra Kermani has engaged in threatening and harassing behaviour, and that she herself admitted to “aggressive” behaviour and to uttering the threat to shoot a Loblaws executive in the head. If that is us being “blinded” by the media, then so be it — at least we are blinded, in part, by Mitra Kermani’s own admissions.

One interesting note is how muslimperson hints at some kind of Islamic…organized effort to fight against such things using the human rights commissions in Canada.

As has been said, in regard to the current brouhaha happening before the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, this is exactly the wrong tactic with which to fight perceived bias or bigotry against Muslims: the fact that Muslims are visibly attempting to censor Canadian publications will do more to stoke anti-Islamic sentiment amongst the Canadian populace than any number of articles, true or false, about people like Mitra Kermani.

If Ms. Kermani really wants to command respect, she needs to stop her “aggressive” discussions with Loblaws and move on to other business opportunities — it’s that simple.

As matter of fact [someone] went to police copy of police report is in civil court you must go to civil court in person and ask the copy and read the material and you will that as police report copied attached in Mitra Kermani defence in civil court in University ave Toronto civil court filing proof is that: [someone] said to police Mitra Kermani is “international terrorist” on July 16, 2005 and police finger print Mitra Kermani later Mitra kermani used after criminal harassment was dropped and no evidence proof that allegation to bring tort of defamation against Lobalw to let lied to police to won their civil claim on year 2005.

Those claims are all well and good, but as I don’t live in Toronto, I highly doubt I’ll be making any personal appearance at the civil court building in T.O.

Now, if muslimperson wants to go to the courts building, obtain the documents, scan them in, and post them online for us to see, I will be the first one to link to this evidence exonerating Mitra Kermani — that’s only fair.

Strangely, though, I doubt both that muslimperson would be so accommodating or reasonable, and that Ms. Kermani would be exonerated by the documents in question.

[someone] was scored by [someone] Jewish lawyer…who said that and also [someone] copy from police report said: the sound was “sharp the knife” probably cell phone of [someone] has camera show other side knife as well that still Army not create that camera yet see other party cell phone has knife or not!! to beat to some thing hard to it!!

Ah, there we go: JOOOOOOOOOS!

I do agree that, technically, nobody saw what Mitra Kermani was banging against whatever else. At least muslimperson is now more or less admitting that Ms. Kermani was hammering something against something else.

Having said that, I’ve worked in few kitchens in my day, and I will observe that the sound of a blade contacting a hard surface is fairly unique, and not difficult for one who is familiar with it to identify.

These two allegation with escort of biggest..name lawyer…was enough to Mitra Kermani get jailed for so long since Mitra Kermani is Muslim and named to next police station to [somewhere] you just imagine You are police office and you know your big neighbour…and one big executive come to station with…lawyer and saying the Muslim woman said these three things: Mitra Kermani said that she plan to attack [somewhere] and she is international terrorist and she is sharp the knife what you do if you are police office who arrest Mitra Kermani ? Then [someone] sending more than 10 affidavits to court to get any label of criminal to Mitra Kermani what you do if you are police officer?

The question is: what do I do if I am the police officer?

The answer is: my job.

Notice that a bait-and-switch has happened here: before, we were told by muslimperson that Mitra Kermani had not been convicted. This is likely still true (an arrest is not the same as a criminal conviction), but now the admission has come out that she was at least arrested and detained in a cell for some length of time.

The fact of the matter is, the police have a responsibility to investigate every allegation of a threat — especially a violent threat — that is reported to them. It would be negligent to do otherwise. And so when anyone brings forth just such an allegation, there is only one proper response for the police: investigate the allegation and, if necessary, make an arrest.

In other words: they do their job.

The police was act may not smart arrest Mitra he was smart later never signed the final papers to crown when the time came that police officer wsant to see other parties evidence and witness nobody ready to see the police give more information and police sent material with no signature means what ? no witness or victim except [someone] and [someone] available and both said after we do not want to lay charge for Mitr Kermani if you smart police officer you know something wrong!!

I might point out to the Reader that there are many reasons why one might choose not to press charges against another. Perhaps doing so in this case would have hurt a civil court action against Ms. Kermani, either at the time or at a later date, and perhaps this was the more important consideration. The point is that there’s plenty of reasons to drop charges, if in fact any were even filed.

Later police couldn’t find any label or tape proof all shoot the head to any head

In conclusion above it was [others] is guilty to lied to police and police did charged and drop criminal harassment nobody no evidence support that But evidence [someone] went to police used in civil for tort of defamation to [someone] need punitive damage to Mitra Kermani play with her repetition she live her for more than 25 years with no even one parking ticket violation to has criminal record!!

If police can not proof guilt for mitra this is better blog stop harass Mitra Kermani since this is Mitra Kermani told [someone] she plan to asked this is against security and safety of Mitra Krmani that [someone let someone] talk about Mitra kermani to national post is proof they plan to put her in more danger!!

It’s all well and good that Ms. Kermani lived for 25 years without any kind of criminal or bylaw violation to her name, O Reader. Equally, it only takes one episode to change that record forever.

At any rate, Mitra Kermani herself admitted to uttering the threat to shoot a Loblaw’s executive in the head, dismissing it as an old Iranian saying. Maybe it is an old saying, but she did say it, and then in anger. It was taken as a threat, and on the surface it sounds like a threat. How, when one is dealing with an angry person over the phone, is one supposed to know a violent saying from a violent threat?

Next: the cut the heat and shoot the head was example for snake used for this two groups:

On June 24, 2005 [someone] went to police said Mitra Kermani plan to shoot my head when the police said why you scare of her he said [some people] plan to cut only source of income of Mitra and when she get bankrupt she will come and kill me!! Police said [someone] scared of what he heard from [others] forced him to do or may he is involved just come and say that is not me is others!! We could not tell since he did not like to come to testify what or who or which boss told or order him to cut Misom halal food we know it was [a bunch of people] they are the most criminal hate crime…

I again point out to the Reader that Ms. Kermani has herself admitted to using the “Iranian saying” concerning shooting someone/thing in the head. That much is, at least, true.

The more interesting question is: is Mitra Kermani so ignorant as to be unable to recognize that most people, if you tell them that you will shoot them in the head, will take such words as a threat?

Who was [someone] was the most dangerous chicken buyer and the most crookest mentally ill person in planet you can not find one word correct from him!! he used to worked In sale manger of [a company] before late he hired for chicken buyer…he is control frick and all illegal halal in [a company] was created by him when he worked in [a company] and he never scared if products is not Zabhieh means hand slaugher sell in illegal food label act to Muslim he hates Muslim and [someone] hate Muslim foods as proof that Mitra Kermani was hired in 1998 not as employee but also to direct halal food in [a company] they asked [a company] to remove halal from their brand since it was fraud halal they did Mitra refer to snake neck was [a company] brand of halal was cut by Mitra Kermani order on 1999 out of shelf and later Mitra Kermani order [a company] can back with heir regular bran not with sticker of halal and [a company] never complaint his in claim since they know they did fraud next was on June 23, 2005 Mitra Kermani cut new chicken called cericola halal chicken used as head of snake by hand of [someone] back to [a company] with no certification and all fraud over argue [someone] hired two years ago…said we do run halal while he could not he has not qualification to do so we buy surefresh cericola chicken but must go with correct certification since two time the company did illegal sent fraud food to [a company] in mix food and while Mitra Kermani supervise this halal food too many people hated her but the Muslim customer loved the products therefore snake was refer Mitra Kermani said to [someone] we cut your tail [a company] halal you bring cericola and we shoot head of snake yesterday of cericola chicken brand now still you plan to bit us since you are not want to obey and respect halal food and endanger halal food with mix Irish Italian and Jewish law mixed and that was Mitra Kermani to run and [someone] only to sell but [someone] hired and want to take power of Mitra Kermani while [someone] was Italian he could not [a company] must in year 2005 hired Mulsim proof Mitra Kermani doing illegal against [a company] or Muslim food to replace her that was not up to nonMuslim how to operated Muslim food and why Mitra Kermani order this is halal or this is not halal because [a company] said if products go to any law sue it was Mitra Keramni should answer Muslim not [a company] therefer interfere of [someone] for sickness of power and support of new comer [someone to someone] long term of fraud halal food and destroy and steal so many kilo of chicken from other supplier is was under question

Did the reader note how, in this entire paragraph, the only punctuation is the ‘!’ ending the first sentence? The rest appears to be one long run-on sentence rehashing the basic allegation that muslimperson made last time: that this whole Mitra Kermani affair is part of a JOOOOOOish conspiracy to cross-contaminate halal food sold to Muslims with kosher and Italian food.

You can’t buy that kind of paranoia.

When police listen to tape and listen to [someone] police told Mitra Kermani I saw hate in eyes of [someone] I want you do not go close to him and Mitra since that night never saw [someone] for 3 years.

Never issue was treat to death at all it was argue who is boss of halal…That is all that was [someone] that made serious to made money over this issues and Finally if 3 years two person has argue and Mitra never get arrested to death treat and even [someone] said he did not want Mitra get arrested too then why National post and bloggs should seat and put Mitra Kermani in treat .

Imagine two argue since…national post go to media that Mitra Kermani plan to shoot head of [someone]…believe writer and owner of time immortal believe story and same as in first police believe later after 3 years of investigation not found any single attempt of this treat then why you still keep saying and judging people just because Mitra Kermani is form Iran originally or Muslim or not have big lawyer…to sue blogger to stop them…their lawyer called bloger in case of Mitra Kermani she should cal herself to tell them if you like I can send you proof the document but Kathy Shaidle in first call start F and B words to Muslim since Mitra Kermani has not idea Kathy Sheidle is under sue of Human right commission since Mitra Kermani are not talk to Canadian or know the relationship and has understand why Kathy Sheidel hate Muslim so much and why?

From what I know of Ms. Shaidle, O Reader, she just plain hates harassing phone calls…and isn’t afraid to cuss out just such a caller. And she has every right to do so.

Note that another bait-and-switch has happened here. Whereas before, muslimperson had asserted that there was no evidence that Mitra Kermani was harassing people, now s/he admits that Ms. Kermani did, in fact, harass a Canadian blogger who also reported on the story. Why would Ms. Kermani even do this? Why would she call a Canadian blogger at home, uninvited and in a hostile manner?

(Note: if, in fact, muslimperson and Mitra Kermani are one and the same, then Ms. Kermani is again engaging in harassment at this very moment, and by this very correspondence).

As mater of fact first post of small dead animal and Kathy Sheidel caused Mitra received so many treat from nonMulsim who not know her this is unfair people who not know the case involve in criminal or civil case which is private or not need to explain by party to public unless this is need to do so . for security purpose Mitra Kermani did not told Muslim on the time what happened…since she knew this will hurt the plan Mitra liked to join Muslim and Non Muslim in Canada to easy making and selling halal food and all tear apart…

Here’s the plain facts of the matter (yet again): Since they severed their contract with Ms. Kermani’s company in 2005, Loblaw’s doesn’t do business with Mitra Kermani anymore, O Reader. Too bad, so sad, but that’s how the market works.

The real injustice here is the actions Ms. Kermani chose to engage in after the cessation of Misom’s contract with Loblaw’s. Instead of doing what any serious business owner would do (e.g. go out and find another distributor to supply), she elected to harass and threaten first the executives, and then the employees, of Loblaw’s. And then she elected to further harass anyone else who reported on the whole sordid affair.

the sound strange is that [someone] said to Mitra Kermani I am so sorry what I did to you that was not my fault I was new and that was [someone] who give me wrong information about you in year 2006 and later a month after he left…and he live in Europe now he left Canada too.

Mitra’s father worked for 35 years with Jewish Iranian and she grow up with Jewish and she is not anti Jewish but since she came to Canada she noticed so much unfairness from Jewish Canadian in food and pharmaceutical industry when money come plus today Misom Halal Food Products worked with two supplier are Jewish and lawyer of her once was Jewish but Jewish when hate Muslim only can able to destruct Muslim by label of Muslim only Jewish can go to police say this woman is terrorises and support…just lable Muslim to terrorist is act of antiMuslim from Jewish not care to mix halal food is act of antimuslim from Jewish seen in Canada at least.

Nature of job of Mitra Kermani in halal food made Jewish hate her like [someone]…said we have half of shelf…as broker and now Muslim used halal food to take our space in supermarkets this was more politic of supermarkets .

Got that straight, O Reader? Mitra Kermani loves the JOOOOOS. It’s just that the JOOOOOS are conspiring against her to contaminate the supply of halal food in Canada with that disgusting kosher crap that they eat. It’s all a damn setup! Muslims just want to work with Jews, but the hateful JOOOOS only ever desire to destroy Muslims and their hard work and efforts!

I just print the stuff I get in my inbox, O Reader. I take no responsibility for any of it, even the comedic aspects. And in a way, this travesty of writing is highly comedic, for how much of a self-parody it has become.

What I want from bloger do not talk about courts unless they have court reports able to go to courts and get information correctly you can chat others not court matter this is endanger parties if you do not know the details.

A fair point, but as I am not a Torontonian, I can’t just walk to the courts building and get the documents. I have, however, offered to link to them if someone else (*cough*hint*cough*) were to obtain them and scan them. Heck, I’d even provide space to host the scanned images!

If they exist, that is.

Until such time, I have to rely on what’s out there, which includes more than a few admissions by Mitra Kermani herself. She’s not the innocent that muslimperson is portraying her to be, O Reader. At the very least, she did make some of those death threats, and she has harassed other Canadian bloggers.

Do not judge people just because they are Muslim Iranian aren’t respected by Iranian or Muslim bad and good are every where Mitra asked her damages…finished but civil still in ON. Mitra Kermani asked …bring copy of any tape Mitra said she plan to shoot head of [someone] I and judge both like to hear that after 3 years by proof documents you can go and see those document is filed in public…there was not tape or any document s and wording proof Mitra said that I plan to shoot your head and cut your tail to [someone] it was example we used we cut first chicken was fraud we shoot second one on June 23 2004 and he went June 24 said she p lan to shoot me again I agree that I should not used the some idiom in Iranian can translate in wrong way as Police told me and I did respect that view because I am middle eastern see or say a word gun is we hear that daily but in Canadian life style they may think we plan to used that word for them and misrepresent the wording if you translate from your mother tongue to English it is not sound correct way but still the fact is 3 years nobody dies or hurt…all Misom halal food get dies cold blooded murder and I am disagree that big company has right to cut big volume when products made …and used for specially meals if not reason to cut just their anger and no better option to go mix and endanger Muslim meals I would say No…

Note, O Reader, the sudden shift from third-person references to Mitra Kermani to the use of the first-person “I”? Is this perhaps Mitra Kermani to whom I am speaking?

Note also the final claim in the above, that a big company does not have the right to cut ties with Misom Halal Foods. Someone obviously doesn’t understand the way business law works in Canada.

This is Canada, and not Iran, O Reader. If you tell someone you’re going to shoot them in the head, and if they believe you are serious, you can be charged for uttering a death threat. That’s just how the law works here. If Ms. Kermani — or muslimperson — would rather be judged by Iranian standards, or under Iranian law, well…how much does a plane ticket back to Iran cost?

Note also that muslimperson is still on about this apparent conspiracy to cross-contaminate halal food with Jewish kosher food — oh, those crafty JOOOOOS. Note, also, that no evidence has been brought forth to substantiate the claim.

Plus the products sell to customers…is only one factors not the final factors if products build between three groups Muslim directors Misom haalal and manufacture who products and…to sell that is…to cut that speciality meals at all that is not [good] and that is not million to change to billion to [someone] over night to steal too many small business to cash that to [someone] bank this is barbarian thefts from small companies using misconduct of lawyer if you see mafia god father movie the lawyer called [someone] who was Irish Jewish helped them in the film as you can see all those lawyer are main stream line of made stealing legal way…limited and all brokers to give 22 million cash to [someone] and nothing to Mitra Kermani except criminal court order no damage means ring human right discrimination and do not come and say you know better than people in business if Mitra was completely wrong then court will say that but find among 10 judges one bad judge…is easy to find…not like Muslim woman for sure!! But so far most judges was helpful in this matter!!

So again, it’s the fault of the JOOOOOOOOOOOS, O Reader. And again, just to be clear: in Ms. Kermani’s opinion, nobody but nobody actually possesses the right to terminate a business contract with Mitra Kermani. But those other folks, they are the ones who are like the Mafia.

At least, that’s what muslimperson would have us believe.

It’s hard to keep up with the contortions in this “logic,” O Reader, but for you…I try.

I would simply ask the Reader to consider the possibility that muslimperson — and/or Mitra Kermani — hasn’t got the first clue what business law in Canada actually says.

Muslim are fight for their right this is not up to [someone] to steal Mitra Kermani and let [someone] to cash her cheque and pay damage 22 million to [someone] who wrote all good contract in favour of employees are [someone] and [someone]…why we say this to public to fight all wrong doing and all the way and tools Loblaw used to fight Mitra Kermani on May 5, 2005 it was Mitra Kermani said good bye…after 6 month of abuse of [someone]…

Note that another shift in tactics has occurred here, O Reader. Now, the claim is that Mitra Kermani was the one who broke off contact, and presumably the contract that is at issue here? Yes, I do believe that is what I just read.

Of course, if this new claim by muslimperson is the actual truth of the matter, then Mitra Kermani has no leg to stand on anymore — if she’s the one who broke off her contract, she has no right whatsoever to dictate to anyone who they should and should not do business with, nor does she have the right to demand anything from them, whether financially or otherwise.

I you like Canada and law in Canada we like halal food law as well not like or not like to eat it but at least respect it or simply step back of Muslim meals and sell pork and win!! Nobody forced…to sell halal in wrong production lines when every body know then they forced to fix it again when every back calm again they mix it then step back of Muslim food let Muslim run their food like Jewish run their kosher foods!! Why Jewish and Irish and Italian and German to fee d Muslim here and spoon feed us with mix pork and kosher foods why!!

Those JOOOOOOS are at it again. Or is muslimperson unaware that kosher food also must be pork-free, since Jewish dietary law prohibits the consumption of pork as well?

Notice another contradiction, O Reader: “nobody forced…to sell halal”…but equally, nobody has the right to cut ties with Misom Halal Foods. Dizzying, I know.

… asked to made the halal food when it built and came in high volume tries to control it by boss and interfere in halal food law and when Muslim and Misom halal not agreed they abuse then breach contract not pay damage and then they sue Mitra Kermani then change civil claim…to criminal and not let any negation to pay damage simple way and scare other supermarket and then change all mix halal food sell today…and all illegally…and then after three years lost the criminal court on nov 2007 they went to national post and waste people brain to accept new slander why?

I’m not actually sure what gives muslimperson the ability to claim that because she was replaced as a halal foods supplier, her rights were somehow being infringed — I’m pretty sure she didn’t invent halal food, after all.

no more respond from Muslimperson to this subject you do not need to say your opionion paragraph by pragraph you just simply can or need to post parts and let people made decision about that.

As the Reader can see, I choose to do both. The blockquoting format on the site here does make it easy to just read only the text from muslimperson.

but we can not for security…also say all the truth here. Misom halal food was the first Muslim company put flag of Canada in thier logos. we are all Canadian. then just respect

This would be a nice thing to believe, were only a little evidence available in support of such a statement.

good luck with your blog god bless Canada and all Candadian citizen include Muslim citizen

We Love Canadaian halal food
Trust Misom halal food products for true halal abd taste
go by “Canada Islamic Halal food committee “for halal certificate as the best recognize halal certificate in Canada

I agree that Canada includes Muslim citizens. I disagree that many Muslim values — and many Koranic teachings — are compatible with Canada, however.

At any rate, this may well be the last we hear from muslimperson, and if so let me just say that I do wish him/her well. I might suggest some involved study of, among other things, Canadian business law and a book of basic English grammar and spelling.

But God bless, O Writer, and take care.

…but I will agree, to the end of my days, that he has a right to voice his opinions. And it’s good news indeed that the Supreme Court of Canada agrees with that sentiment, and will not hear an appeal to overturn a lower court’s ruling that Whatcott’s right to freedom of speech had been violated.

Whatcott’s tactics seem, to me, on the extreme side, but the fact that the Saskatchewan Association of Licensed Practical Nurses suspended and fined him for his off-hours, anti-abortion advocacy was detestable and a violation of Whatcott’s human rights.

Nurse Bill Whatcott staged his anti-abortion protest at the clinic in Regina, Saskatchewan, in 2002, and Planned Parenthood subsequently launched a complaint against him at his professional association. Whatcott had earlier served jail time for demonstrating against an abortion clinic in Toronto.

The Saskatchewan Association of Licensed Practical Nurses found Whatcott guilty of professional misconduct, suspended him as a nurse and ordered him to pay C$15,000 ($15,150) in legal costs.

Whatcott argued that he had been demonstrating in his free time and that his protest was simply a case of free speech. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association had also weighed in on the debate, saying that while it favored abortion rights it was concerned over attempts to squelch debate.

He tried to run for mayor here in Edmonton a while back. Got about a thousand votes, as I recall.

Kurds and Turks brawl in Edmonton restaurant.

The attack happened around 4 p.m. Thursday when a group of up to 25 armed men stoned the cafe at 15960 109 Ave., breaking its window.

Angry Kurds blamed their fellow Turks for instigating the violence, but Ankara Cafe owner Tugay Doksuz said the fight actually began earlier as a heated discussion between a few people seated inside.

One of them then called his friends, who showed up with metal batons, knives and stones. The violence ended with three men cut and bruised. The assault also left the cafe with broken chairs and tables.

While Doksuz believes the incident was the first of its kind in Edmonton, Tan said growing Turkish and Kurdish Immigration to the city, particularly from Toronto, has led to a number of skirmishes in recent months.

A few weeks ago, he noted, a minor fight broke out during a soccer game in which a Kurdish man insulted a player wearing the jersey of the Turkish national team.

Aggravating the situation is the large number of Turks and Kurds who come to Edmonton for construction work, leading to rivalries between firms bidding for jobs, Tan said.

In Turkey, the two groups have a history of animosity, particularly due to a bloody bid by the (PKK) for self-rule in the country’s southeast.

Canada has designated the PKK a terrorist organization, but Tan said the group has both members and sympathizers in Edmonton, including many who have moved here from Toronto.

Come here to live and work and I have no problem with you.

Come here and cause a ruckus, and I only wish I had the power to personally escort you to an airplane bound for the “old country.”

If Mitra Kermani is going to harass every blogger who mentions her behaviour toward Loblaws Companies Inc., then I think it’s only fair that every blogger who sees this sort of intimidation as being unacceptable behaviour in Canada should post a story re-interating both Mitra Kermani’s name and a brief synopsis of exactly why she’s making the news.

Senior executives at Loblaw Cos. Ltd. have endured an intolerable three-year campaign of harassment, intimidation and multiple death threats from an irate food supplier who is angry over the grocer’s decision to end their business arrangement, according to court documents.

The ongoing problem became so bad that some members of company management weren’t able to concentrate on work because of fears for their lives, say affidavits filed in Ontario Superior Court.

The alleged harassment began after Loblaws cut ties with Toronto supplier Misom Halal Food Products in 2005.

That move sparked a vitriolic response by Mitra Kermani, Misom’s co-owner, which included her telling one executive that she would “cut his tail off and shoot him in the head,” the documents allege.

Ms. Kermani was convicted of criminal harassment last year, the documents say, but the harassment continued and Loblaws recently asked a Toronto court to enforce a no-contact order against Ms. Kermani– again.

The food supplier has allegedly written “thousands” of threatening e-mails, telephoned executives at all hours of the day and night and made surprise visits to their homes, the documents say.

In response, the company hired private security to guard one employee’s house.

Ms. Kermani also followed staff, demanding to know why Loblaws stopped buying from her small operation, which supplied chicken and other food prepared under Islamic guidelines, the documents say.

United we stand, people. This sort of crap is simply intolerable in Canada.

Update: Welcome, Steynians!

The Canadian Islamic Congress will be making a public settlement offer to Maclean’s and Mark Steyn.

CANADIAN ISLAMIC CONGRESS PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

April 29, 2008

ISLAMIC CONGRESS AND LAW STUDENTS TO MAKE PUBLIC SETTLEMENT OFFER TO MACLEAN’S ON HUMAN RIGHTS COMPLAINTS

TORONTO - The Canadian Islamic Congress and a group of law students who recently filed human rights complaints against Maclean’s magazine for publishing Islamophobic content, are planning to present a public offer to the magazine’s management to settle the matter.

Details of this offer and more information regarding the background of the above-mentioned complaints will be provided to those in attendance.

When:
10:00 a.m.: Wednesday, April 30, 2008

Where:
Fairmont Royal York Hotel, The Quebec Room, 100 Front Street West,
Toronto ON

Present at the media conference will be:

- Faisal Joseph: CIC legal counsel, former Federal and Provincial Crown Attorney, and former Chair of the Criminal Section of the Canadian Bar Association (Nova Scotia).

- Muneeza Sheikh, Naseem Mithoowani and Khurrum Awan: Three of the law
  students/graduates who were original complainants against Maclean’s magazine.

For more information contact:
Faisal Joseph: (519) 672-4510

I agree with Deb Gyapong: Ken Whyte (editor of Maclean’s) and Mark Steyn shouldn’t accept the settlement.

Well, it’s gone too far. Unless the CIC and the Muslim law students are willing to ante up the magazine’s and Steyn’s legal bills for subjecting them to an abusive process; unless they are willing to admit they were wrong to file complaints; and unless they acknowledge the importance of freedom of speech and Religion, then on principle there should be no settlement.

This struggle against the HRCs can end when and if the HRCs themselves are either dissolved or stripped of their power through the removal of Section 13 from the Canadian Human Rights Act. Apart from that, there should be no deal possible.

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Not directly, at least. Fortunately, Wordpress keeps an accurate list of inbound links. He has his own blog, and has decided to issue his response to my latest reply to him there. That’s just as well; he wasn’t doing all that well via the contact form.

He seems to be clinging to insisting that all Religions are basically the same (a common fallacy among atheists, I have learned). To which I can only say, again, what I said to him before: “While you see a distinction between various sports, as an non-sports fan I simply don’t see those as significant. Honestly, the difference in rules and methods between almost any two sports is virtually meaningless to me. I don’t see a massive difference, in many ways, between playing golf and playing football…”

(All I’m doing in the above quote, O Reader, is repeating a statement Joel made about religions, re-dressed to cover an alternative topic; the absurdity of Joel’s stance is pretty clear.)

Joel posits thusly:

Once you believe in an all-powerful supernatural entity that controls the universe and his divine son that was killed and then rose from the dead, any distinctions between particular interpretations of these beings and stories really does fall by the wayside**.

For example, lets suppose I’m schitzophrenic. And I believe that the dog is talking to me telepathically. Would you see any real difference between me and the other schitzophrenic that believes the dog is talking to him vocally?

Of course not.

Once again, Joel’s ignorance shows through: there could be any number of differences between two schizophrenics talking to the dog. The question of the magnitude of symptoms comes up — of what duration, and what severity, are each person’s episodes? The question of medication comes up — is either person medicated? What kind of medication, and in what strength, is each person on? Is it perhaps time to adjust each person’s medication? The question of response comes up — should we let each person continue talking to the dog? Should we inform someone? Should we call the police? We might even ask what kind of dog is being addressed. Are the two schizophrenics speaking to the same dog? Is the dog (or “are the dogs”) responding, in any way, to either schizophrenic?

The point is that there is more to the scene than just what the eye glimpses at first. There is not only room for, but a need for, greater inquiry, because we cannot understand the situation until we ask some follow-up questions. And I might also point out, since Joel seems of a mind that atheists should “do something” about the pervasiveness of religion in America (”the battle we fight,” he termed it), the only way to properly respond to any situation is to dig a little deeper in order to better compose your response in a manner that is specifically tailored to the person being dealt with.

In other words, the proper response to schizophrenic #1 might be wholly different than the proper response to schizophrenic #2 — if we treat them both the same, there is a risk of doing unnecessary damage to at least one of them, until and unless we allow our actions and responses to them to be informed by additional inquiry. Dismissing them as just another couple of schizos is simply unacceptable, in addition to being dishonest.

Not that Joel seems to care all that much: he flogs the death of a single child as an indictment against all religion, even though the parents of the child were members of a cult widely derided and disavowed by mainstream Christianity. Had Madeline Kara Neumann been born to Catholic parents, she’d probably still be alive — whither Joel’s big issue* then? Moreover, whither Joel’s point that all religions are the same — there are religions out there in which young Madeline would have easily survived, grown up in, and thrived in.

But Joel has no interest in digging any deeper than he has to, and cares not for the fact that even though he himself is not a member of anything he would recognize as a religion, the vast differences that exist between the different religions are not a side point in the debate; they are the debate. Because what is atheism, if not a rather odd — and somewhat counter-intuitive — form of religion (in that it is a philosophical conjecture, a belief in a universal negative)? Funnily, I’m pretty sure that Joel would be offended if I called him a racist, and would rush to disprove the charge. At least, I would hope he would.

But if one thinks about it, O Reader, how is what he has said any different from the sort of bigotry that necessarily informs Racism? His basic contention, at least as regards Madeline Kara Neumann, seems to be that if a religion has at any point caused the death of a person, all religions are to be held accountable. Applying similar logic, we could argue that we should jail all black people the next time a Jamaican gang banger guns someone down on Jane Street in Toronto.

Hmmn…and here I thought it was us theists who were supposed to be closed-minded and bigoted (not to mention uninquisitive).

Joel also asks:

Its sort of like trying to talk with someoine who believes magic runs every little bit of the world. How could you talk physics?

Numerous science fiction authours demonstrate a rather handy fusion of physics and magic in their works, O Reader. Not that I believe in magic, of course — I merely observe that several works of speculative fiction nicely bridge the two concepts. But then, realizing that would require a person to have an inquiring mind, wouldn’t it?

Amusingly, one of the people commenting on Joel’s article added this nugget of “wisdom”:

To the point where they can’t actually understand anyone who might find their beliefs to be, well, insane.

Their very identity and that religion are so intertwined as to be inseperable.
Therefor, no significant dissent is really allowable.
(oh, you might allow it, but you treat it as if it were spoken by children)

What moleboy doesn’t realize, of course, is that much the same can be said both about atheism and those who follow that particular philosophical conjecture, and about the way many Catholics — including, more than occasionally, myself — wind up having to speak to them because of it.

But then, that shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. There is no such thing as someone who does not believe, after all. The great question is not whether we shall believe, but what we shall believe, and atheism is just one more entrant in list of beliefs that can be found the world over. And everyone who believes — every human being, then — is rather strongly wedded to their beliefs. Joel and moleboy’s identities are strongly intertwined with their atheism, and I’ve already had to speak to Joel…well…if not like a child, than at least like an intellectual inferior. I don’t really enjoy doing so, preferring discussions to be between equals whenever possible. But that hasn’t been possible in this case.

* ten blog posts in the last month and change; easily one of his most talked-about subjects

** I’m sure Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Wiccans, and various other religions would have something to say about this, since they do not acknowledge one or both of a) God and b) Christ. But hey, what do I know, being a deluded theist? Fortunately, I have atheists nearby to correct my thinking.

Toronto, with its growing immigrant population, will likely see an increase of deadly, contagious tuberculosis.

Seriously, I almost don’t know what’s worse. Toronto is an interesting case study in a lot of trends related to Immigration, and in recent months there have been a number of studies that have demonstrated, among other things, the way increases in the murder rate in Toronto suburbs marches in lockstep with increases in the immigrant populations of those suburbs. The connection between isolated immigrant communities (when the immigrants are from predominantly Muslim nations) and terror plotting has already been demonstrated in numerous European nations, and it would be foolish to think Canada is immune from the same trends.

And now this.

Seriously, why can’t Canadians get off their fat, birth-controlled asses and start having their own kids, rather than forcing this nation to rely on violent, disease-ridden countries to make up the population shortfall for us?

Apparently, the glorious religion of Islam allows for marriages to be conducted via telephone. That’s right, folks — a guy in Toronto can get married to a girl in Pakistan in a five minute long-distance call, and after the exchange of a dowry (it’s easier than ever to send money over the Internet!) the marriage is legal — at least according to Islamic law.

Long-distance telephone marriages can be dialled up under Sharia law and then used to sponsor loved ones into Canada, Muslim leaders say.

Two Muslim leaders have told the telephone marriages are permissible under Islamic law and require two witnesses and imams here and abroad to conduct the vows, which may have the bride in Pakistan and the groom in Toronto.

Once completed, a marriage certificate is obtained abroad legitimately in Muslim countries and can be used by the groom for sponsoring his new wife to Canada, one Mississauga imam said.

Mumtaz Ali, of the Canadian Association of Muslims, said he conducted a telephone marriage between a student in Toronto and his about-to-be wife in India.

“He was a university student and couldn’t leave,” Ali said. “It is a civil contract and the vows were conducted over the phone.”

A marriage certificate was obtained and the student was able to sponsor his wife to Canada, he said.

The vow takes less than five minutes and a dowry is exchanged to seal the ceremony, Ali said.

‘NOT WIDESPREAD’

“These telephone marriages are taking place but are not widespread,” said the former lawyer for the Ontario attorney-general’s office. “The parties must know each other and have developed a relationship. Most of the times the couple have been introduced by family members,” Ali said. “In many cases one person may not be able to leave the country.”

Imam Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi, of Ja’ffari Islamic Centre, in Toronto, said: “These marriages are perfectly acceptable under sharia law … the marriage certificate is taken to the Canadian embassy where it is recognized.”

Well, that’s nice, Mr. Rizvi. But sharia is not the law in Canada, and there is no reason why these “telephone marriages” should be viewed as legal in Canada, even if they are perfectly legal in other countries or barbaric legal systems that hail from the 7th century.

Perhaps I’m just being old-fashioned, but I’m of the opinion that if you can’t either be man enough to get married whilst in the same room as your wife-to-be, you shouldn’t get married. If, for whatever reason, you can’t afford to fly out to where your wife-to-be is situated so as to be wed to her, then you shouldn’t go ahead with it. I mean, if you don’t even have the money to fly to…India or Pakistan or wherever…then how the heck can you afford to support your wife and family in the first place?

Oh, right…claim additional welfare benefits, I forgot. This is blatant parasitism — nothing more. And Canada shouldn’t allow it. Oh, that’s not to say that Canada has any ability to dictate what sharia law does and does not stipulate (pity — we could at least overhaul the inability of Muslim law to differentiate between hair and breasts*), but Canada does have every right to dictate whether or not it accepts as valid the stipulations of sharia law. I think the proper response to these telephone marriages is a simple one as well: “you can live with your new wife, sir, in the country which the marriage certificate was issued in. Or you can live in Canada and spare us the farce.”

Still, there’s one advantage men who get married this way have: they can get divorced by text message if they get bored with the phone wife. I wonder…does sharia permit a Muslim man to marry his limit of four wives all by phone? Or does he only get one?

(In Soviet Russia, hat tips you: FreeMarkSteyn)

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* I bet that gets really confusing when it comes time to feed babies…

RightGirl puts in a comment on Islam that I admit gives me pause:

It used to be easy for me to say that if you want to live under 7th century Sharia, go back to Crapistan and do it there. After all, why come to the free West, right? But I now realize that the whole point of coming here was to take over. Our touchy-feely naiveté leads us to believe they are “escapees” and “refugees”, running from oppression. But in fact they have sought out free lands in order to spread that oppression in the name of the devil Allah.

Even up to very recently I believed that the women of Islam were oppressed and that they should be freed. This, I have come to learn, is utter hogwash. On more than one occasion we have seen the women take up arms, the women strap on explosives, the women preach jihad to their sons and husbands. Enough is enough. Our leaders - be they political or religious - are too wrapped up in politically-correct doublespeak to be able to defend us from this insidious evil. It saddens me that it’s up to a bunch of bloggers and cartoonists to save the world from the new Caliphate, but I have seen more guts come from Dutch filmmakers than I have from my own government, who no longer even believe in freedom of the press.

I cannot advocate open season on Muslims in the street. But I think for our own sakes we make ready for the coming onslaught, and brace ourselves to fight them. Not in Afghanistan and Iraq, but in London and Toronto and Detroit. And the first way we can fight them - a way that will not cause bloodshed by any act of our own hands - is to say NO. No to Sharia. No to Islamic banking and trade. No to muzzeins screeching at dawn. No to polygamy and incestuous marriages. No to welfare for those perfectly capable of working - like our Khadr family here in Toronto. No to visas and citizenships for terrorists. No, no, no.

I’m reminded of Lenin’s (at least, I think it was Lenin) observation that capitalism would sell the rope to hang itself with to the communists. In a perverse sort of way, I think the same may be true of the tendency toward multiculturalism in most Western nations — that is the rope that we may well end up hanging from. It’s really just a question, I suppose, of whether the hangmen will be Sunni or Shia.

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The Brits are still debating whether or not to allow men with more than one wife to claim additional welfare benefits for the additional brides. Here in Canada, however, it’s full steam ahead!

Hundreds of GTA Muslim men in polygamous marriages — some with a harem of wives — are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say.

Mumtaz Ali, president of the Canadian Society of Muslims, said wives in polygamous marriages are recognized as spouses under the Ontario Family Law Act, providing they were legally married under Muslim laws abroad.

“polygamy is a regular part of life for many Muslims,” Ali said yesterday. “Ontario recognizes religious marriages for Muslims and others.”

Yes, but not multiple marriages. In Canada, you only get one. If you’d like more than one, get out. You’re more than welcome to move somewhere that allows additional marriages.

He estimates “several hundred” GTA husbands in polygamous marriages are receiving benefits. Under Islamic law, a Muslim man is permitted to have up to four spouses.

What have I been saying about Sharia being barbaric and misogynistic?

However, city and provincial officials said legally a welfare applicant can claim only one spouse. Other adults living in the same household can apply for welfare independently.

The average recipient with a child can receive about $1,500 monthly, city officials said.

That’s a lot of dollars these men are able to claim. And how much actually reaches the women, do you suppose, O Reader?

Look, I know that in Canada, we have kind of shot ourselves in the foot. We’ve more or less done away with restricting marriage based on the gender of the participants, and once you’ve gone that far it seems bloody pointless to quibble about the number of participants. That said, polygamy is still, for the time being, illegal in Canada, and no government at any level has any business treating it as a legal arrangement simply because the actual marriages took place in a country that regards polygamy as legal. If people want to live out that barbaric little custom, let them move to the country they got married in. And reform welfare law to specifically prohibit additional welfare payments to “other adults in the same household” if in fact an investigator determines that the relationship between those “other adults” is of a marital nature.

Asking a lot? Yeah, it probably is, at that. But what’s the alternative? To tolerate that this misogynistic practice within Canada? I. Think. Not.

Kathy has an excellent suggestion as well:

Let Mumtaz and his friends how “liberal” some of us really are by contacting them here:

info@muslim-canada.org

Meanwhile, Toronto City Counsellor Rob Ford is on record as saying this scheme must end. If you agree that parasitical state-sponsored sharia harems have no place in Canadian culture, contact him here:

Phone: 416-397-9255
Fax: 416-397-9238
Community phone: 416-233-6934
councillor_ford@toronto.ca

Why not contact our Mayor while you’re at it?

Don’t worry if you aren’t from Toronto: tell him you’ll be boycotting Toronto until the city stops using our extorted tax dollars to support illegal, backward tribal customs.

Mayor David Miller
Toronto City Hall,
2nd Floor, 100 Queen St. West,
Toronto ON M5H 2N2

Phone: 416-397-CITY (2489)
Fax: 416-696-3687

mayor_miller@toronto.ca

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