Reader Mail: respond to your post Mitra Kermani
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muslimperson — who I am beginning to suspect might just be Mitra Kermani herself — writes in again to follow-up on my last response to him/her.
As before, O Reader, it is a lengthy post, rambling and incoherent in many parts, and chock full of poor grammar and spelling errors. But hey — this arrived in my mailbox this morning, and was really too good not to share.
As before, I’ll throw in little responses where I feel are appropriate. This will break up the text somewhat, and I do apologize. Also, please note that because Ms. Kermani defames, at various points, certain individuals and/or companies, I have removed some bits of the text where appropriate. I have tried to minimize the disruptive effect of such redaction, but obviously I couldn’t keep everything.
Thirdly, for reference and further enjoyment, I observe that Blazing Cat Fur is getting comments on an article that look and “sound” eerily similar to the text of the correspondence below.
http://www.timeimmortal.net/tag/mitra-kermani/ :
Writer and owner of time immortal wrote his opinion as below:
“I’m actually going to stop here for a minute and remark that the stories of Mitra Kermani harassing people — at least by phone — can be verified by the fact that she harassed other bloggers who reported on her story, and did so multiple times.
Also, I observe that Mitra Kermani herself admitted to “aggressively talking to [Loblaw's]” (which is a polite way of saying she lost her cool, methinks). She also admitted to threatening one executive of the company by saying she would “cut his tail off and shoot him in the head.” She later attempted to excuse this behavior by dismissing the phrase as “an old Iranian expression, not an actual threat,” but at the end of the day she told a man she was going to shoot him in the head.
…As to whether it is true, there is no certainty, and Ms. Kermani denies the act. But is it possible she is the liar? Of course.
…The second is that if one should not believe what the National Post has had to say about this story, whom should one believe? What reason does the National Post have to risk a lawsuit from Loblaw’s by inventing — or even misrepresenting — such a scenario? “
Just type Mitra Kermani…since April 11, 2008 in Yahoo and Google and see how many bloggs wrote copy of National Post and how many email of harassment may Mitra Kermani received at least 89 pages this is proof bloggs and national post involve with no clue of story of 3 years court that can not find final solution of us to interfere and harass Mitra Kermani and judge her as this blogss by lable her include “liar” as we can see writer and owner of Time Immortal wrote his opinion that Mitra Kermani harass and she is liar — which she is not that proof one national post can brain wash all of you to blind the facts so simple and that is power of pen Muslim fight it by using power of human right commission to stop blogger to do so this will endanger security of Muslim without public know the real story
The fact that the original National Post — actually, the story was in the Financial Post, a subsidiary of the National Post — article was cited on multiple blogs is true. Equally, however, it is true that this fact of multiple citations does not tell us the first thing about whether the article in the Post is actually true or not.
muslimperson obviously believes that the article is a pack of lies, but has not yet provided convincing evidence or reasoning in support of this claim. Personally, I don’t think it makes sense for the National Post to invent, out of whole cloth, the story it ran about Mitra Kermani, because in so doing they would be exposing themselves not only to a libel lawsuit from Ms. Kermani, but also a lawsuit from Loblaw’s.
For the second time now, muslimperson has alluded to a court history (presumably one backed up by transcripts of proceedings), and for the second time no actual examples of evidence have been provided — not even a link to a scan of a transcript page.
What facts are before us, then, are what has been gleaned from the newspapers. Those facts include allegations that Mitra Kermani has engaged in threatening and harassing behaviour, and that she herself admitted to “aggressive” behaviour and to uttering the threat to shoot a Loblaws executive in the head. If that is us being “blinded” by the media, then so be it — at least we are blinded, in part, by Mitra Kermani’s own admissions.
One interesting note is how muslimperson hints at some kind of Islamic…organized effort to fight against such things using the human rights commissions in Canada.
As has been said, in regard to the current brouhaha happening before the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, this is exactly the wrong tactic with which to fight perceived bias or bigotry against Muslims: the fact that Muslims are visibly attempting to censor Canadian publications will do more to stoke anti-Islamic sentiment amongst the Canadian populace than any number of articles, true or false, about people like Mitra Kermani.
If Ms. Kermani really wants to command respect, she needs to stop her “aggressive” discussions with Loblaws and move on to other business opportunities — it’s that simple.
As matter of fact [someone] went to police copy of police report is in civil court you must go to civil court in person and ask the copy and read the material and you will that as police report copied attached in Mitra Kermani defence in civil court in University ave Toronto civil court filing proof is that: [someone] said to police Mitra Kermani is “international terrorist” on July 16, 2005 and police finger print Mitra Kermani later Mitra kermani used after criminal harassment was dropped and no evidence proof that allegation to bring tort of defamation against Lobalw to let lied to police to won their civil claim on year 2005.
Those claims are all well and good, but as I don’t live in Toronto, I highly doubt I’ll be making any personal appearance at the civil court building in T.O.
Now, if muslimperson wants to go to the courts building, obtain the documents, scan them in, and post them online for us to see, I will be the first one to link to this evidence exonerating Mitra Kermani — that’s only fair.
Strangely, though, I doubt both that muslimperson would be so accommodating or reasonable, and that Ms. Kermani would be exonerated by the documents in question.
[someone] was scored by [someone] Jewish lawyer…who said that and also [someone] copy from police report said: the sound was “sharp the knife” probably cell phone of [someone] has camera show other side knife as well that still Army not create that camera yet see other party cell phone has knife or not!! to beat to some thing hard to it!!
Ah, there we go: JOOOOOOOOOS!
I do agree that, technically, nobody saw what Mitra Kermani was banging against whatever else. At least muslimperson is now more or less admitting that Ms. Kermani was hammering something against something else.
Having said that, I’ve worked in few kitchens in my day, and I will observe that the sound of a blade contacting a hard surface is fairly unique, and not difficult for one who is familiar with it to identify.
These two allegation with escort of biggest..name lawyer…was enough to Mitra Kermani get jailed for so long since Mitra Kermani is Muslim and named to next police station to [somewhere] you just imagine You are police office and you know your big neighbour…and one big executive come to station with…lawyer and saying the Muslim woman said these three things: Mitra Kermani said that she plan to attack [somewhere] and she is international terrorist and she is sharp the knife what you do if you are police office who arrest Mitra Kermani ? Then [someone] sending more than 10 affidavits to court to get any label of criminal to Mitra Kermani what you do if you are police officer?
The question is: what do I do if I am the police officer?
The answer is: my job.
Notice that a bait-and-switch has happened here: before, we were told by muslimperson that Mitra Kermani had not been convicted. This is likely still true (an arrest is not the same as a criminal conviction), but now the admission has come out that she was at least arrested and detained in a cell for some length of time.
The fact of the matter is, the police have a responsibility to investigate every allegation of a threat — especially a violent threat — that is reported to them. It would be negligent to do otherwise. And so when anyone brings forth just such an allegation, there is only one proper response for the police: investigate the allegation and, if necessary, make an arrest.
In other words: they do their job.
The police was act may not smart arrest Mitra he was smart later never signed the final papers to crown when the time came that police officer wsant to see other parties evidence and witness nobody ready to see the police give more information and police sent material with no signature means what ? no witness or victim except [someone] and [someone] available and both said after we do not want to lay charge for Mitr Kermani if you smart police officer you know something wrong!!
I might point out to the Reader that there are many reasons why one might choose not to press charges against another. Perhaps doing so in this case would have hurt a civil court action against Ms. Kermani, either at the time or at a later date, and perhaps this was the more important consideration. The point is that there’s plenty of reasons to drop charges, if in fact any were even filed.
Later police couldn’t find any label or tape proof all shoot the head to any head
In conclusion above it was [others] is guilty to lied to police and police did charged and drop criminal harassment nobody no evidence support that But evidence [someone] went to police used in civil for tort of defamation to [someone] need punitive damage to Mitra Kermani play with her repetition she live her for more than 25 years with no even one parking ticket violation to has criminal record!!
If police can not proof guilt for mitra this is better blog stop harass Mitra Kermani since this is Mitra Kermani told [someone] she plan to asked this is against security and safety of Mitra Krmani that [someone let someone] talk about Mitra kermani to national post is proof they plan to put her in more danger!!
It’s all well and good that Ms. Kermani lived for 25 years without any kind of criminal or bylaw violation to her name, O Reader. Equally, it only takes one episode to change that record forever.
At any rate, Mitra Kermani herself admitted to uttering the threat to shoot a Loblaw’s executive in the head, dismissing it as an old Iranian saying. Maybe it is an old saying, but she did say it, and then in anger. It was taken as a threat, and on the surface it sounds like a threat. How, when one is dealing with an angry person over the phone, is one supposed to know a violent saying from a violent threat?
Next: the cut the heat and shoot the head was example for snake used for this two groups:
On June 24, 2005 [someone] went to police said Mitra Kermani plan to shoot my head when the police said why you scare of her he said [some people] plan to cut only source of income of Mitra and when she get bankrupt she will come and kill me!! Police said [someone] scared of what he heard from [others] forced him to do or may he is involved just come and say that is not me is others!! We could not tell since he did not like to come to testify what or who or which boss told or order him to cut Misom halal food we know it was [a bunch of people] they are the most criminal hate crime…
I again point out to the Reader that Ms. Kermani has herself admitted to using the “Iranian saying” concerning shooting someone/thing in the head. That much is, at least, true.
The more interesting question is: is Mitra Kermani so ignorant as to be unable to recognize that most people, if you tell them that you will shoot them in the head, will take such words as a threat?
Who was [someone] was the most dangerous chicken buyer and the most crookest mentally ill person in planet you can not find one word correct from him!! he used to worked In sale manger of [a company] before late he hired for chicken buyer…he is control frick and all illegal halal in [a company] was created by him when he worked in [a company] and he never scared if products is not Zabhieh means hand slaugher sell in illegal food label act to Muslim he hates Muslim and [someone] hate Muslim foods as proof that Mitra Kermani was hired in 1998 not as employee but also to direct halal food in [a company] they asked [a company] to remove halal from their brand since it was fraud halal they did Mitra refer to snake neck was [a company] brand of halal was cut by Mitra Kermani order on 1999 out of shelf and later Mitra Kermani order [a company] can back with heir regular bran not with sticker of halal and [a company] never complaint his in claim since they know they did fraud next was on June 23, 2005 Mitra Kermani cut new chicken called cericola halal chicken used as head of snake by hand of [someone] back to [a company] with no certification and all fraud over argue [someone] hired two years ago…said we do run halal while he could not he has not qualification to do so we buy surefresh cericola chicken but must go with correct certification since two time the company did illegal sent fraud food to [a company] in mix food and while Mitra Kermani supervise this halal food too many people hated her but the Muslim customer loved the products therefore snake was refer Mitra Kermani said to [someone] we cut your tail [a company] halal you bring cericola and we shoot head of snake yesterday of cericola chicken brand now still you plan to bit us since you are not want to obey and respect halal food and endanger halal food with mix Irish Italian and Jewish law mixed and that was Mitra Kermani to run and [someone] only to sell but [someone] hired and want to take power of Mitra Kermani while [someone] was Italian he could not [a company] must in year 2005 hired Mulsim proof Mitra Kermani doing illegal against [a company] or Muslim food to replace her that was not up to nonMuslim how to operated Muslim food and why Mitra Kermani order this is halal or this is not halal because [a company] said if products go to any law sue it was Mitra Keramni should answer Muslim not [a company] therefer interfere of [someone] for sickness of power and support of new comer [someone to someone] long term of fraud halal food and destroy and steal so many kilo of chicken from other supplier is was under question
Did the reader note how, in this entire paragraph, the only punctuation is the ‘!’ ending the first sentence? The rest appears to be one long run-on sentence rehashing the basic allegation that muslimperson made last time: that this whole Mitra Kermani affair is part of a JOOOOOOish conspiracy to cross-contaminate halal food sold to Muslims with kosher and Italian food.
You can’t buy that kind of paranoia.
When police listen to tape and listen to [someone] police told Mitra Kermani I saw hate in eyes of [someone] I want you do not go close to him and Mitra since that night never saw [someone] for 3 years.
Never issue was treat to death at all it was argue who is boss of halal…That is all that was [someone] that made serious to made money over this issues and Finally if 3 years two person has argue and Mitra never get arrested to death treat and even [someone] said he did not want Mitra get arrested too then why National post and bloggs should seat and put Mitra Kermani in treat .
Imagine two argue since…national post go to media that Mitra Kermani plan to shoot head of [someone]…believe writer and owner of time immortal believe story and same as in first police believe later after 3 years of investigation not found any single attempt of this treat then why you still keep saying and judging people just because Mitra Kermani is form Iran originally or Muslim or not have big lawyer…to sue blogger to stop them…their lawyer called bloger in case of Mitra Kermani she should cal herself to tell them if you like I can send you proof the document but Kathy Shaidle in first call start F and B words to Muslim since Mitra Kermani has not idea Kathy Sheidle is under sue of Human right commission since Mitra Kermani are not talk to Canadian or know the relationship and has understand why Kathy Sheidel hate Muslim so much and why?
From what I know of Ms. Shaidle, O Reader, she just plain hates harassing phone calls…and isn’t afraid to cuss out just such a caller. And she has every right to do so.
Note that another bait-and-switch has happened here. Whereas before, muslimperson had asserted that there was no evidence that Mitra Kermani was harassing people, now s/he admits that Ms. Kermani did, in fact, harass a Canadian blogger who also reported on the story. Why would Ms. Kermani even do this? Why would she call a Canadian blogger at home, uninvited and in a hostile manner?
(Note: if, in fact, muslimperson and Mitra Kermani are one and the same, then Ms. Kermani is again engaging in harassment at this very moment, and by this very correspondence).
As mater of fact first post of small dead animal and Kathy Sheidel caused Mitra received so many treat from nonMulsim who not know her this is unfair people who not know the case involve in criminal or civil case which is private or not need to explain by party to public unless this is need to do so . for security purpose Mitra Kermani did not told Muslim on the time what happened…since she knew this will hurt the plan Mitra liked to join Muslim and Non Muslim in Canada to easy making and selling halal food and all tear apart…
Here’s the plain facts of the matter (yet again): Since they severed their contract with Ms. Kermani’s company in 2005, Loblaw’s doesn’t do business with Mitra Kermani anymore, O Reader. Too bad, so sad, but that’s how the market works.
The real injustice here is the actions Ms. Kermani chose to engage in after the cessation of Misom’s contract with Loblaw’s. Instead of doing what any serious business owner would do (e.g. go out and find another distributor to supply), she elected to harass and threaten first the executives, and then the employees, of Loblaw’s. And then she elected to further harass anyone else who reported on the whole sordid affair.
the sound strange is that [someone] said to Mitra Kermani I am so sorry what I did to you that was not my fault I was new and that was [someone] who give me wrong information about you in year 2006 and later a month after he left…and he live in Europe now he left Canada too.
Mitra’s father worked for 35 years with Jewish Iranian and she grow up with Jewish and she is not anti Jewish but since she came to Canada she noticed so much unfairness from Jewish Canadian in food and pharmaceutical industry when money come plus today Misom Halal Food Products worked with two supplier are Jewish and lawyer of her once was Jewish but Jewish when hate Muslim only can able to destruct Muslim by label of Muslim only Jewish can go to police say this woman is terrorises and support…just lable Muslim to terrorist is act of antiMuslim from Jewish not care to mix halal food is act of antimuslim from Jewish seen in Canada at least.
Nature of job of Mitra Kermani in halal food made Jewish hate her like [someone]…said we have half of shelf…as broker and now Muslim used halal food to take our space in supermarkets this was more politic of supermarkets .
Got that straight, O Reader? Mitra Kermani loves the JOOOOOS. It’s just that the JOOOOOS are conspiring against her to contaminate the supply of halal food in Canada with that disgusting kosher crap that they eat. It’s all a damn setup! Muslims just want to work with Jews, but the hateful JOOOOS only ever desire to destroy Muslims and their hard work and efforts!
I just print the stuff I get in my inbox, O Reader. I take no responsibility for any of it, even the comedic aspects. And in a way, this travesty of writing is highly comedic, for how much of a self-parody it has become.
What I want from bloger do not talk about courts unless they have court reports able to go to courts and get information correctly you can chat others not court matter this is endanger parties if you do not know the details.
A fair point, but as I am not a Torontonian, I can’t just walk to the courts building and get the documents. I have, however, offered to link to them if someone else (*cough*hint*cough*) were to obtain them and scan them. Heck, I’d even provide space to host the scanned images!
If they exist, that is.
Until such time, I have to rely on what’s out there, which includes more than a few admissions by Mitra Kermani herself. She’s not the innocent that muslimperson is portraying her to be, O Reader. At the very least, she did make some of those death threats, and she has harassed other Canadian bloggers.
Do not judge people just because they are Muslim Iranian aren’t respected by Iranian or Muslim bad and good are every where Mitra asked her damages…finished but civil still in ON. Mitra Kermani asked …bring copy of any tape Mitra said she plan to shoot head of [someone] I and judge both like to hear that after 3 years by proof documents you can go and see those document is filed in public…there was not tape or any document s and wording proof Mitra said that I plan to shoot your head and cut your tail to [someone] it was example we used we cut first chicken was fraud we shoot second one on June 23 2004 and he went June 24 said she p lan to shoot me again I agree that I should not used the some idiom in Iranian can translate in wrong way as Police told me and I did respect that view because I am middle eastern see or say a word gun is we hear that daily but in Canadian life style they may think we plan to used that word for them and misrepresent the wording if you translate from your mother tongue to English it is not sound correct way but still the fact is 3 years nobody dies or hurt…all Misom halal food get dies cold blooded murder and I am disagree that big company has right to cut big volume when products made …and used for specially meals if not reason to cut just their anger and no better option to go mix and endanger Muslim meals I would say No…
Note, O Reader, the sudden shift from third-person references to Mitra Kermani to the use of the first-person “I”? Is this perhaps Mitra Kermani to whom I am speaking?
Note also the final claim in the above, that a big company does not have the right to cut ties with Misom Halal Foods. Someone obviously doesn’t understand the way business law works in Canada.
This is Canada, and not Iran, O Reader. If you tell someone you’re going to shoot them in the head, and if they believe you are serious, you can be charged for uttering a death threat. That’s just how the law works here. If Ms. Kermani — or muslimperson — would rather be judged by Iranian standards, or under Iranian law, well…how much does a plane ticket back to Iran cost?
Note also that muslimperson is still on about this apparent conspiracy to cross-contaminate halal food with Jewish kosher food — oh, those crafty JOOOOOS. Note, also, that no evidence has been brought forth to substantiate the claim.
Plus the products sell to customers…is only one factors not the final factors if products build between three groups Muslim directors Misom haalal and manufacture who products and…to sell that is…to cut that speciality meals at all that is not [good] and that is not million to change to billion to [someone] over night to steal too many small business to cash that to [someone] bank this is barbarian thefts from small companies using misconduct of lawyer if you see mafia god father movie the lawyer called [someone] who was Irish Jewish helped them in the film as you can see all those lawyer are main stream line of made stealing legal way…limited and all brokers to give 22 million cash to [someone] and nothing to Mitra Kermani except criminal court order no damage means ring human right discrimination and do not come and say you know better than people in business if Mitra was completely wrong then court will say that but find among 10 judges one bad judge…is easy to find…not like Muslim woman for sure!! But so far most judges was helpful in this matter!!
So again, it’s the fault of the JOOOOOOOOOOOS, O Reader. And again, just to be clear: in Ms. Kermani’s opinion, nobody but nobody actually possesses the right to terminate a business contract with Mitra Kermani. But those other folks, they are the ones who are like the Mafia.
At least, that’s what muslimperson would have us believe.
It’s hard to keep up with the contortions in this “logic,” O Reader, but for you…I try.
I would simply ask the Reader to consider the possibility that muslimperson — and/or Mitra Kermani — hasn’t got the first clue what business law in Canada actually says.
Muslim are fight for their right this is not up to [someone] to steal Mitra Kermani and let [someone] to cash her cheque and pay damage 22 million to [someone] who wrote all good contract in favour of employees are [someone] and [someone]…why we say this to public to fight all wrong doing and all the way and tools Loblaw used to fight Mitra Kermani on May 5, 2005 it was Mitra Kermani said good bye…after 6 month of abuse of [someone]…
Note that another shift in tactics has occurred here, O Reader. Now, the claim is that Mitra Kermani was the one who broke off contact, and presumably the contract that is at issue here? Yes, I do believe that is what I just read.
Of course, if this new claim by muslimperson is the actual truth of the matter, then Mitra Kermani has no leg to stand on anymore — if she’s the one who broke off her contract, she has no right whatsoever to dictate to anyone who they should and should not do business with, nor does she have the right to demand anything from them, whether financially or otherwise.
I you like Canada and law in Canada we like halal food law as well not like or not like to eat it but at least respect it or simply step back of Muslim meals and sell pork and win!! Nobody forced…to sell halal in wrong production lines when every body know then they forced to fix it again when every back calm again they mix it then step back of Muslim food let Muslim run their food like Jewish run their kosher foods!! Why Jewish and Irish and Italian and German to fee d Muslim here and spoon feed us with mix pork and kosher foods why!!
Those JOOOOOOS are at it again. Or is muslimperson unaware that kosher food also must be pork-free, since Jewish dietary law prohibits the consumption of pork as well?
Notice another contradiction, O Reader: “nobody forced…to sell halal”…but equally, nobody has the right to cut ties with Misom Halal Foods. Dizzying, I know.
… asked to made the halal food when it built and came in high volume tries to control it by boss and interfere in halal food law and when Muslim and Misom halal not agreed they abuse then breach contract not pay damage and then they sue Mitra Kermani then change civil claim…to criminal and not let any negation to pay damage simple way and scare other supermarket and then change all mix halal food sell today…and all illegally…and then after three years lost the criminal court on nov 2007 they went to national post and waste people brain to accept new slander why?
I’m not actually sure what gives muslimperson the ability to claim that because she was replaced as a halal foods supplier, her rights were somehow being infringed — I’m pretty sure she didn’t invent halal food, after all.
no more respond from Muslimperson to this subject you do not need to say your opionion paragraph by pragraph you just simply can or need to post parts and let people made decision about that.
As the Reader can see, I choose to do both. The blockquoting format on the site here does make it easy to just read only the text from muslimperson.
but we can not for security…also say all the truth here. Misom halal food was the first Muslim company put flag of Canada in thier logos. we are all Canadian. then just respect
This would be a nice thing to believe, were only a little evidence available in support of such a statement.
good luck with your blog god bless Canada and all Candadian citizen include Muslim citizen
We Love Canadaian halal food
Trust Misom halal food products for true halal abd taste
go by “Canada Islamic Halal food committee “for halal certificate as the best recognize halal certificate in Canada
I agree that Canada includes Muslim citizens. I disagree that many Muslim values — and many Koranic teachings — are compatible with Canada, however.
At any rate, this may well be the last we hear from muslimperson, and if so let me just say that I do wish him/her well. I might suggest some involved study of, among other things, Canadian business law and a book of basic English grammar and spelling.
But God bless, O Writer, and take care.
