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The ambiguously-named muslimperson writes in again with a rather lengthy…uhm…outpouring in response to this article, a prior response of mine to him(?).

Let me just preface this lengthy entry with a bit of a note: it’s long, and the grammar and spelling are questionable at best. It starts well, but gets predicitably anti-Jewish by the end. Obviously, muslimperson feels that Mitra Kermani has been wronged. Because of the defamatory nature of some of what muslimperson says, I have redacted parts of the letter — a first for me. I’ve tried to minimize the impact of what has been excised, however.

Full Story of Mitra Kermani: June 3, 2008 :

This information about court of criminal and civil court order is public information you can go to criminal court and asked if this detail we say is wrong or right

This is true statements:

Mitra Kermani never arrested or charged for any death treat against any person in Canada

How do you verify your information before you copy and past from National Post

I’m actually going to stop here for a minute and remark that the stories of Mitra Kermani harassing people — at least by phone — can be verified by the fact that she harassed other bloggers who reported on her story, and did so multiple times.

Also, I observe that Mitra Kermani herself admitted to “aggressively talking to [Loblaw's]” (which is a polite way of saying she lost her cool, methinks). She also admitted to threatening one executive of the company by saying she would “cut his tail off and shoot him in the head.” She later attempted to excuse this behaviour by dismissing the phrase as “an old Iranian expression, not an actual threat,” but at the end of the day she told a man she was going to shoot him in the head.

That’s a death threat, and it’s a crime, even if she wasn’t charged for it. And muslimperson is quick to point out that she was not, in fact, criminally charged…or rather, not convicted (not that this matters).

Mitra Kermani did not convicted of criminal harassment or criminal telephone harassment after two days trial got finished on Nov 21, 2007

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All wrong accusation…against Mitra Kermani they did not proof that

• Mitra Kermani is international terrorist
• Mitra Kermani sharped the knife and cut something while she was talking in cell phone to [someone]
• Mitra Kermani said that she plan to attack [somewhere]
• Mitra Kermani said that
• Mitra Kermani said she is going to shoot head of [someone]…

There is no verification available to justify the claim that Ms. Kermani has been labeled a “terrorist” by…anyone in a position of authority (private opinion doesn’t count here). It is odd, then, that muslimperson would demand to know how I support/justify my citation of the National Post article, when he(?) himself(?) cites, without support or justification, a claim that Ms. Kermani may have herself invented.

As to the knife, the exact claim was that it sounded like a cleaver was being beaten against a cutting board during the phone conversation. Given that Ms. Kermani’s company supplied chicken as a main product, this allegation certainly has an air of possibility about it. As to whether it is true, there is no certainty, and Ms. Kermani denies the act. But is it possible she is the liar? Of course.

As to the threat of an attack on some location, there is no verification that Ms. Kermani made the threat in the first place — this is true. Unless, of course, someone has a recording of the threat. And at any rate, even if she didn’t threaten the building, she did admit to threatening an executive of the company. I don’t actually know the details of the matter well enough to know whether any actual threat was made, or whether this is just a fanciful invention of muslimperson’s mind.

Instead Mitra brought 60 facts against [some people]…who went with [someone] to made above wrong statement to police that [someone] is liar not lawyer said…to civil court and said in…in criminal court because [someone] sent too many wrong under oath affidavit to court…

Mitra Kermani brought 14 proof documents…against [some people]..who worked for [a company] finally [some people] disappeared for first time after 3 years bring Mitra Kermani to too many courts and send new lawyer. Mitra Kermani noticed all those lawyer are Jewish…with document proof they did lied to courts and none of those label was true. [someone] now recently planed to change constitution law in Canada.

In last letter caused [someone]…to escaped was [someone] lied to civil court that Mira Kermani is convicted to criminal harassment and Mitra warn [someone] this time if she come to court she will asked court to disqualify her from work in Canada in civil cases any more. Finally [someone] did not show up.

One question: hunh?

Also, I will observe one thing: It’s those damn JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS again. Seriously…why are Muslims always apt to blame Jews for, like, everything? The rampant anti-Semitism in the above is striking for how bald-faced it is, although I can’t say I’m surprised that muslimperson took the discourse in that direction.

Here again, a strange thing has emerged from the atrocious grammar. Whereas before, muslimperson chastised me for blindly citing a National Post article, now he(?) is making wild assertions and providing no justification (in the form of, say, a link to an article?) for them. All the above is speculation, and nothing more.

Open Jan 11, 2008 Mitra Kermani also not found any civil contempt order then why again on next civil again [someone] made new motion…

Criminal court under appeal was wonder in court of appeal now since criminal court told…the order then…could not changed it in civil court order now. This is like OJ Simpson trial that bring innocent in 8 times to win criminal in civil and unless…proof in that periods some thing happened that they asked for…while we went to two days trial and nobody come to testify civil court without trial can not made judgment only because…Misom is small. Plus [someone] said she is not agree with expansion…how come [someone] give all favour to [someone] even later [someone] send letter to [someone] said in your letter you said are not you made mistake please change it to are please.

Civil court has not jurisdiction to change criminal court order especially when that criminal court is under appeal…no ground to ban Mitra while they know there is not business with Mitra since 2005 therefore this is now civil court also went to court of appeal in Toronto but this time Mitra Kermani did asked judge in court of appeal to disqualify [some people] for misconduct and abuse and abuse of process and using Mitra not have CAPACITY to fighting with them by sending every two month more than 60 big files filed in civil court against Mitra Kermani it is unbelievable

Point of order: Loblaw’s has every right to cease business with (or “ban,” as muslimperson would have it), since they are the retailer and she is just a supplier. They have every right not to spend their money on the products she makes available, as do we all.

Moreover, since Ms. Kermani has admitted to some of the actions that Loblaw’s is accusing her of engaging in, including the utterance of a statement that she would shoot someone in the head, they have every right to seek restraining orders against her.

This is like one small companies verses big company fifth for her right took her 3 years and took her pain and she still fight for her right and freedom of talk and freedom to talk with who ever she likes to talk and in the same respect if some one like Mitra Kermani and ban…to not let that person talk to Mitra is also painful for Mitra and this corruption, fraud, conspiracy, misconduct, abuse discrimination and abuse of process against small person only like to do or made and had lots of customers

It’s pretty simple, really: if you don’t want to be told that you can’t speak to people, don’t threaten to shoot said people in the head. Why is this so difficult to understand?

This is up to customer who like to eat their food…to control saying I like to feed Muslim Jewish halal food called Alsafa halal food because they are German friend of us that is nonsense

It’s the Jews! The JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

[Anyone] has freedom to deal with anybody they want but in the same respect customer has right to choose who they like to eat for specially meals not non Muslim control Muslim food and not let Muslim come up under conspiracy and illegal competition act and under human right act all is hate crime against Mitra Kermani

This is true, to be sure, but the customer doesn’t really get a say as to which products a store puts on the shelves or not. If, say, Safeway suddenly decided not to deal with Dole anymore, I’d have to suck it up and buy some other company’s pineapples (not that I buy that many pineapples, but it was an easy example). That’s really all there is to it. Too bad, so sad, pass the SunRipe.

Loblaw companies used Misom halal for 8years exclusivity like marriage can not get them hungry out and terminate them and not let them talk and negation any business called that on Aug 2005 “cool-off” period Misom stay 6 month out and not talk and we are not pay damages and they did breach contract on June 13, 2005 and say stay for 6 month cool not talk if we like you we will return your business back if you talk you go to jail.

Did the Reader catch that? Loblaw’s was partnered with Misom for 8 years exclusively…clearly, it’s like a marriage!

Only…it’s not. Business agreements are not permanent commitments of total fidelity — they are temporary agreements that periodically get renewed. Or they don’t get renewed, and one business elects to not do business with the other anymore, in favour of a different company.

Mitra Kermani is…she fight for her right

She was innovate of halal food…and she is hungry outside and others cash her business and she is faced all criminal court which wrong and civil court should force loblaw to pay defamation to Mitra as punitive damage as well.

Therefore media welcome to come and like to listen to claim of Mitra Kermani in civil court and you can go and see all files in civil court is open to media

But you can not simply copy and past wrong information from National post.

I’ve spent as much time as I can for today, O Reader, looking for information from the Ontario Superior Court — transcripts, case files, anything. As yet, I’ve found nothing.

If someone — muslimperson, perhaps? — can provide links to the relevant files, I’ll gladly entertain them. Until such time, I can do no more than observe that muslimperson’s own claims are as baseless as he(?) says the National Post’s are. And in defence of the National Post: why would the Post risk a lawsuit from a large, national grocery company with that sort of lie, and why did Mitra Kermani admit to doing some of the things that the Post article claimed she had done?

We agree nobody has right to harass anybody for breach contract but big company also should not smash small companies and get envy over them if small but smart…

Plus Woman are not right in any where not in Middle East not n Canada as long as small yes as soon as become famous men get them out with one label and slander in food male industry in Canada no respect for woman in highest end manager unless take time

I note that Canadian society has more respect for women that any Islamic society I can think of off the top of my head. That’s not to say that Canada is perfect in this regard — far from it. But compared to Mitra Kermani’s own home country of Iran, well…Canadian women do very well.

Mitra Kermani went in gifted school in Iran when she was 13 got number one in Mathematics among two million children of her age Mitra Kermani has Canadian chemical engineering degree and Mitra Kermani has so many pharmaceutical and petro gas and oil industry background and Mitra Kermani took 5 courses with A- in master degree in University of Toronto and Mitra Kermani has diploma in Muslim laws and Mitra Kermani has one year computer programmer and work for more than 18 years in industry still we must wait for get acceptance among Muslim Canadian went to so many ambassador house and lunch with their family in middle east…Mira still fight for her claim for freedom of talk and freedom of choice for Muslim customer…

Yes, yes, yes, O Reader…Ms. Kermani is all that and a bag of (halal) chips.

Equally…so what? All her various achievements entitle her to precisely nothing in terms of the business she now operates.

finally:

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Canada said in their constituation law that Canada believe God and Muslim belive God and Muslim also belive Jesis while Jewish are not then for god sake why for Morality of this let company wake up and interfer in fate of Muslim for hate crime!!! this must get stop that is why Mitra keramni fight…for 3 years. God is the greatest and know it all. if some is bad god will punish them. stop hate for no reason. support human right and direct them to right path.

It’s the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

Okay, that’s actually starting to get a little old. But then, so are the allegationsof a conspiracy to mix Jewish kosher food with halal food from an alternative supplier. Is this poop for real?

At any rate, I did warn the Reader that the letter from muslimperson went all squirrely at the end, and that the grammar and spelling were poor. And now, at the end of it, I see that I may have understated the case. Still, perhaps we should all count ourselves enlightened, now that we know that the senseless persecution and harassment of Mitra Kermani is just the visible element in a Jewish plot to contaminate halal food with kosher products.

And if you will buy that, O Reader, you’re a fool…hold out for the offer on the bridge!

Update: Welcome, Sleepy Old Bear readers and Steynians!

The Color of Update: It’s been an interesting day on the freespeecher email list. Someone postulated that the rambling incoherence of muslimperson might, in fact, be the rambling incoherence of Mitra Kermani herself. It’s a theory with some merit, if not exactly testable.

~ by Kenneth on June 4, 2008.